If anyone knows what it’s like to have Trump own their headspace for four years, it’s Barry Blitt. The air mail contributor and Pulitzer Prize–winning cartoonist has produced some of the most cutting commentaries on the president. This week, he tells how he creates his illustrations, and how he may detox after these four years. In addition, Mike and Ashley discuss some of the week’s other grifters and charlatans, as well as some people that you’ll find truly inspiring. Listen by clicking Play below. But be sure to subscribe at Apple Podcasts or Spotify so you don’t miss an episode.

Episode 19: How Do You Erase Trump?

Longtime Trump observer and satirist Barry Blitt has some ideas. Plus two inspiring lives, and more